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Post by Night Star on Jul 23, 2005 22:46:04 GMT -5
Huamns made it hard to live no one else we are stuborn and will always will be
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Post by cheesechick on Jul 24, 2005 5:20:24 GMT -5
Of God wasn't an arsehole he would make us, or at least ME, talking from experience here, what the meaning or life is. My depression mainly consists of feeling worthless because there isn't a meaning to life and I'm not special therefore I'm NOTHING. So if God created everything it was some crule experiment. I don't see what the meaning of life has to do with God, necessarily. Many people (myself included) believe that you give your life its meaning. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you have to believe that life is meaningless. Besides, I'm sure plenty of people believe that God wants you to find meaning in your life yourself. One thing is for sure, we don't know if there is but you might as well believe in something right? And I was raised this way anyway.. I find God has a knack for chucking me outa my trouble spots >>; I'm a mooch sometimes, even if it's mooching the Big Man (God, more I commonly call The Big Cheese) Well you shouldn't just believe in something just because you can, or because you can't prove there isn't one. And believing that there is no God is still a perfectly valid belief. You should believe in what you truly think (based on the evidence you've seen) is correct. Then again, I'm not a religious person and I don't believe that belief/faith itself will really do anything for you. Except perhaps, make you sleep better at night. =p If there's a God why is there so much suffering in the world? If God created us THEN made it hard for us to belive in him, ie Inventing Science, planting fossils, and when we don't we go to some horrible place like Hell, s/he must be a right cunt anyway. And how can people base everything they believe on a little book full of exaggerated stories? Why is there so much suffering? That depends on who you ask. Most organized religion believes that the bad things in life are trials. If you can get through all the crap in life and still remain good, you'll be rewarded. There's also that whole belief that to truly feel happiness, you must also know pain. Saying you believe in God isn't saying you believe in The Bible, though... and I'm sure there are many people out there who believe that God exists, but is simply an asshat. And there are those, of course, that say that God isn't good or bad -- he/she/it simply is. I have absolutely no idea why people try to disprove God because there are bad things in the world -- so what? That just proves God isn't going to give us paradise right off the bat, not that it doesn't exist. Where does it say God is necessarily good, anyway? Sure, The Bible does, but you'd have to be pretty damn naive to think that only Christians believe in an a supreme being. I know many people who do believe there was a creator -- but definitely don't believe in The Bible. So your comment about basing your beliefs on a book full of stories isn't exactly relevant. Anyway, I think debating on God's existence is pretty pointless. There isn't an amazing evidence on either side, so no conclusion can really be reached here. Discussing God's existence is fine, but I really don't see how this can be a proper debate when there's hardly any empirical evidence. And in my opinion...? I'm agnostic. I don't know if there is a God, and in all honesty I don't really care.
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Garland
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Post by Garland on Jul 24, 2005 9:49:57 GMT -5
You write an awful lot...
*Schemes with his right-hand man*
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Post by LunaticD on Jul 25, 2005 21:40:31 GMT -5
I know I'm coming in late but who cares.I have something to say and I've read everything you all have so far.There may be a god,in fact,I believe there is.That doesn't make me a christian.I see it as hypocracy that you have to believe and worship god to go to heaven when the bible says he loves EVERYONE not just those of us who pray to him.Why not sell him you soul for a Ferrari,like you're supposed to be able to do with the devil?Also,god's law contradicts nature.Who said anything about marriage,huh?It isn't natural.Look at any animal other than humans and tell me that you honestly believe that "fornication" is bad.It's reproduction,for crying out loud!It could save the damn species!And if another person tells me that all the bad shit is a "trial" to see if I can be a good little zombie...I'll punch them in the nose.Bad things happen because man kind defies nature and destroys everything it touches to reshape it into something it finds attractive.Not that I'm saying I dont,but it is human nature and the bible tries to hinder it.
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Post by Garland on Jul 25, 2005 22:11:07 GMT -5
I don't read the bible, I have the prospect God loves everyone, not to fear him, but to love him too, Shhhhh don't tell him I have love triangle goin here on earth.. Shh.. tis a secret
Brimstoners scare me, "REPENT FOR YOUR INS, FEAR THE LOOOORRDD! DIE HETHENS!" and stuff... amazing enough they don't get strep throat or lose their voice from so much yellingpreaching
I was brought up non-brimstone, I believe we all have a purpose in life, whether ya'll like it or not, but why waste my breath on people who won't listen? More breathes for me to take and live longer, and hopefully, happily and healthy
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Post by Drachestahl on Jul 26, 2005 9:22:17 GMT -5
Garland, you're a fat ugly stupid stuck-up egotastical and boring waste of space. But that's a different story. That's very well said LunaticD.
Oh! Wait! I know the meaning of life! God just APPEARED out of no-were (or maybe the big bang ceated him?) and he got bored so he ceated...stuff now we're amusing him by debated his existance and...I've lost my thought-train O.o
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Post by Garland on Jul 26, 2005 9:52:16 GMT -5
...? Is someone else here? anyway, But normally you can't go through life without: A: Friends B: something to believe in C: Hope and there are few others but.. now is not the time for my philosophical mumbo jumbo
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Post by Drachestahl on Jul 26, 2005 14:09:42 GMT -5
I belive in my councilling and sometimes myself. In Satanism, one is one's own God. The English language has been raped I swear. Hope as in to hope or something to hope upon?
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Post by cheesechick on Jul 26, 2005 16:04:50 GMT -5
...? Is someone else here? anyway, But normally you can't go through life without: A: Friends B: something to believe in C: Hope and there are few others but.. now is not the time for my philosophical mumbo jumbo Define "something to believe in". Most of my friends are atheists and none of them and I'm agnostic and we all seem to be going through life just fine.
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Post by Garland on Jul 26, 2005 20:36:51 GMT -5
It vary's person-to-person.. as I said, I'm not going to waste my breath, despite you're listening, on this anymore, because, truthfully A: Have no answer to your comment B: Getting bored C: Personal things drives me to have faith
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Post by Drachestahl on Jul 26, 2005 23:44:20 GMT -5
I'm sure God doesn't like to see his people killing each-other in needless selfish wars.
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Post by cheesechick on Jul 27, 2005 6:42:56 GMT -5
I'm sure God doesn't like to see his people killing each-other in needless selfish wars. ...and that's relevant to the debate of God's existence because...? Sorry, it just annoys me when people use the "God is not good, and therefore doesn't exist." argument. It's like you're not acknowledging the fact that people other than people who are part of the major religions can believe in a God (or Gods). I don't meant to lecture, but when you're going to debate something as broad as the existence of a creator of the universe, you can't just focus on a few faiths. You have to look at everything. Debating The Bible and Christianty and all that other stuff is fine, but it has no place here. That's a completely separate debate.
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Post by Garland on Jul 27, 2005 7:50:32 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhhhh.... you said the magic word Drache... Wars are absolutely necassary! They are key to life! They keep the population down, they produce many great things, look at the Germans, they invented jet engine, were already testing Nuclear physics and such. They made some of the best tanks still known. the best fighter plane was the Messerschmidt BF 109, it had so much horsepower to put a P-51 mustang to shame. But I can't be bias.. the americans, russians and british made advancements, we made the nuke, the russians applied that slanted armor would deflect and withstand blows more, hence the germans stole the idea and thus improved, producing the Panther, Tiger 2 and their greteats achievment in the Armored Department, the ironically named "Maus" which is mouse in german, the heaviest tank of the war, possibly the most lethal had it seen field action,it weighed more then the Tiger I Ausf E, or the Tiger itself which is about 60 tons...... Oh dear me.. I seem to have rambled on... well anyway.. Wars are necassary... this so called "war" with iraq/ terroists to me is very fruitless, so long you have nuts willing to blow themselves up for some proclaimed god, they'll od it, *kicks bush in the "balls"* anyway.. God permits wars to teach us lessons, keep the population down! AND! To advance in tehcnology and advance in other ways! Look what World War I brought us, TANKS!
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Post by Drachestahl on Jul 27, 2005 10:41:40 GMT -5
I'm sure God doesn't like to see his people killing each-other in needless selfish wars. ...and that's relevant to the debate of God's existence because...? Sorry, it just annoys me when people use the "God is not good, and therefore doesn't exist." argument. It's like you're not acknowledging the fact that people other than people who are part of the major religions can believe in a God (or Gods). I don't meant to lecture, but when you're going to debate something as broad as the existence of a creator of the universe, you can't just focus on a few faiths. You have to look at everything. Debating The Bible and Christianty and all that other stuff is fine, but it has no place here. That's a completely separate debate. Thar was at Garland's hypocrisy entirely.
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Post by Garland on Jul 28, 2005 21:57:40 GMT -5
...? Do what? In English again? Please?
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