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Post by nweasel on May 25, 2005 23:50:09 GMT -5
What the hell is this?! LoL!!! Wow. You people think too much into this stuff. I mean, come on. We ALL already KNOW that the world was created last Tuesday. I knew that! How didn't YOU all know that?! WATCH THE NEWS PEOPLE! Current Events!
- nweasel
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Post by Stealthhawk on May 25, 2005 23:53:38 GMT -5
No not everyone agrees with it, which comes to show we can view axoims all differently ok and im not saying your a philosophy/logic n00b, i never assumed you were, but im talking to the whole fourm, not just you so i had to explain it so get off my case. It shows that we can all view axioms differently, but that doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove, for instance, that there is no objective reality. There could be an objective reality and everyone who doesn't believe it is wrong. If you believe in Santa, but I know there's no such thing, sure we view things differently - but one view is wrong. If that makes sense. I'm having trouble wording my thoughts correctly. Sorry, I don't mean to offend or anything. But... I dunno, I just get annoyed when people stop to explain basic premises in arguments. If two people are arguing biology and one stops to explain photosynthesis, it just slows things down. The only people who are going to get involved in a debate are the people who already know what they're talking about. Ok for one the word objective Objective[//url] implies ita object of thought, I never said reality cant exist as a thought but as a thought its based on our own perspective and once again leads us to the same.
Also we arnt the only ones invovled in the debate ok, I choose to break it down for others to get a more lively and productive debate, as many scientists have pointed out before the more data reliating to their hypthesis the more probrably that a more accuture conclusion can be drawn.
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Post by visibleducts on May 26, 2005 0:04:45 GMT -5
LOL!!!11 You might percieve that the blue pill doesn't solve dillusion, but as I have already pointed out your perception is my perception of your perception. So I say again "DANCE PUPPETS!!!" Just as your perception is my perception which means you imply a cicular reasoning which really is kindof funny Hmm, yes it is circular. But by your stance, you believe perception is what we base our truths on, right?
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Post by Stealthhawk on May 26, 2005 0:06:01 GMT -5
Just as your perception is my perception which means you imply a cicular reasoning which really is kindof funny Hmm, yes it is circular. But by your stance, you believe perception is what we base our truths on, right? Its true our axiom's are based on our perspective, but as such it doesnt prove things exist or doesnt exist, just how thinks appear for one might not appear to be the same thing
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Post by visibleducts on May 26, 2005 0:10:39 GMT -5
Hmm, yes it is circular. But by your stance, you believe perception is what we base our truths on, right? Its true our axiom's are based on our perspective, but as such it doesnt prove things exist or doesnt exist, just how thinks appear for one might not appear to be the same thing So then it's impossible to prove or disprove anything. Thus, my insane view might very well be true no matter how circular it is. Or maybe it isn't circular at all. Maybe each individual has his own reality. Maybe we're born as a stationary object that never moves and our entire lives our lived in our own percieved worlds. You can't disprove it. It's all perception right?
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Post by Stealthhawk on May 26, 2005 0:13:29 GMT -5
Its true our axiom's are based on our perspective, but as such it doesnt prove things exist or doesnt exist, just how thinks appear for one might not appear to be the same thing So then it's impossible to prove or disprove anything. Thus, my insane view might very well be true no matter how circular it is. Or maybe it isn't circular at all. Maybe each individual has his own reality. Maybe we're born as a stationary object that never moves and our entire lives our lived in our own percieved worlds. You can't disprove it. It's all perception right? True I cant disprove it but you cant prove it either, what might be right for you might not be right for me. Good topic I must commend acid for it
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Post by nweasel on May 26, 2005 0:13:59 GMT -5
I shall pass it on to him tomorrow. I see him in school every day.
- nweasel
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Post by Stealthhawk on May 26, 2005 0:15:04 GMT -5
I shall pass it on to him tomorrow. I see him in school every day. - nweasel Thank you nweasel hehe ^_^
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Post by nweasel on May 26, 2005 0:16:24 GMT -5
My pleasure. And if I understood what any of you were saying, I would have joined into this debate. Actually, that may give me an idea...
- nweasel
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Post by Stealthhawk on May 26, 2005 0:17:00 GMT -5
My pleasure. And if I understood what any of you were saying, I would have joined into this debate. Actually, that may give me an idea... - nweasel Understood nweaselmiester. ^_^
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Post by visibleducts on May 26, 2005 0:19:51 GMT -5
So then it's impossible to prove or disprove anything. Thus, my insane view might very well be true no matter how circular it is. Or maybe it isn't circular at all. Maybe each individual has his own reality. Maybe we're born as a stationary object that never moves and our entire lives our lived in our own percieved worlds. You can't disprove it. It's all perception right? True I cant disprove it but you cant prove it either, what might be right for you might not be right for me. Good topic I must commend acid for it I disagree. This is a horrible topic. Why argue something that can't be proven or disproven in the first place? There's absolutey no point. I could sit here making up insane positions all day but since you believe everyone percieves reality or axioms different, theres no counter argument since my perception is just as valid as your.
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Post by cheesechick on May 26, 2005 0:21:20 GMT -5
Hmm, yes it is circular. But by your stance, you believe perception is what we base our truths on, right? Its true our axiom's are based on our perspective, but as such it doesnt prove things exist or doesnt exist, just how thinks appear for one might not appear to be the same thing But saying our axioms are based on perception is saying that that's an empirical fact, and again going by what you said then if someone disagrees, it's not an objective fact after all and this is just going in circles.
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Post by Stealthhawk on May 26, 2005 0:22:06 GMT -5
True I cant disprove it but you cant prove it either, what might be right for you might not be right for me. Good topic I must commend acid for it I disagree. This is a horrible topic. Why argue something that can't be proven or disproven in the first place? There's absolutey no point. I could sit here making up insane positions all day but since you believe everyone percieves reality or axioms different, theres no counter argument since my perception is just as valid as your. lol Good for you, but do mind you it opened peoples eyes abit on the subject and to think more broadly ok so I believe it did accomplish more then you think. It is infact based on our obeservtion so yes its a empirical fact ok, but there is no universe framework which can incorpate all objective thoughts into the same context, and if you have a answer for me on that, Id welcome it as Id sure want to know what it is.
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Post by cheesechick on May 26, 2005 0:23:38 GMT -5
True I cant disprove it but you cant prove it either, what might be right for you might not be right for me. Good topic I must commend acid for it I disagree. This is a horrible topic. Why argue something that can't be proven or disproven in the first place? There's absolutey no point. I could sit here making up insane positions all day but since you believe everyone percieves reality or axioms different, theres no counter argument since my perception is just as valid as your. This is why I said I don't understand the topic in the first place. If he's trying to prove that we can't disprove him, we're just beating a dead horse. Of course we can't. I think any kindergardener would understand that. But, if he's trying to justify his position by saying we can't disprove it, that's a logical fallacy. So either way... this argument is going to go nowhere. o.o
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Post by Stealthhawk on May 26, 2005 0:26:54 GMT -5
I disagree. This is a horrible topic. Why argue something that can't be proven or disproven in the first place? There's absolutey no point. I could sit here making up insane positions all day but since you believe everyone percieves reality or axioms different, theres no counter argument since my perception is just as valid as your. This is why I said I don't understand the topic in the first place. If he's trying to prove that we can't disprove him, we're just beating a dead horse. Of course we can't. I think any kindergardener would understand that. But, if he's trying to justify his position by saying we can't disprove it, that's a logical fallacy. So either way... this argument is going to go nowhere. o.o The Topic and its logical reasoning may be extreamly flawed but it got many to think abit more then ususal, which is where I think the merit lies.
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